Sat, Dec-14-02, 20:58
I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love bananas.
I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is all fruit
and vegetables in produce acceptable or should I watch any one
of these in particular.
I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is all fruit
and vegetables in produce acceptable or should I watch any one
of these in particular.
Mr. Perry
Sat, Dec-14-02, 20:58
April wrote:
> I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> bananas. I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is
> all fruit and vegetables in produce acceptable or should I
> watch any one of these in particular.
Yes it is unless that is the only thing you are eating and
you are eating only a small banana or a half of an average
sized banana at a time and then waiting a couple hours before
the next one.
That is the short answer.
Look up bananas and find out how many carbs they have bearing
in mind they are a very fast acting carb. Go to:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl
> I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> bananas. I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is
> all fruit and vegetables in produce acceptable or should I
> watch any one of these in particular.
Yes it is unless that is the only thing you are eating and
you are eating only a small banana or a half of an average
sized banana at a time and then waiting a couple hours before
the next one.
That is the short answer.
Look up bananas and find out how many carbs they have bearing
in mind they are a very fast acting carb. Go to:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl
Wsm311
Sat, Dec-14-02, 20:58
>I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
>bananas. I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is
>all fruit and vegetables in produce acceptable or should I
>watch any one of these in particular.
Well....it's probably too much. You need to test at one and
two hours after eating one to see how much it raises your bg.
At first, I sure couldn't eat even a whole banana, now I'm
doing better and could probably eat a couple. Test, test,
test. I try to keep my bg under 120 at all times. What's your
bg goal? Do you take diabetes meds?
Wendy Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont
http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/
http://www.heathershikinghiatus.homestead.com/
>bananas. I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is
>all fruit and vegetables in produce acceptable or should I
>watch any one of these in particular.
Well....it's probably too much. You need to test at one and
two hours after eating one to see how much it raises your bg.
At first, I sure couldn't eat even a whole banana, now I'm
doing better and could probably eat a couple. Test, test,
test. I try to keep my bg under 120 at all times. What's your
bg goal? Do you take diabetes meds?
Wendy Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont
http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/
http://www.heathershikinghiatus.homestead.com/
Louise
Sat, Dec-14-02, 20:58
"April" wrote in message
news:TePK9.46690$Y86.30919@news2.central.cox.net...
> I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> bananas. I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is
> all fruit and vegetables in
produce
> acceptable or should I watch any one of these in particular.
What does your meter tell you?
--
Best wishes Louise
Type 2, controlling by diet and exercise
news:TePK9.46690$Y86.30919@news2.central.cox.net...
> I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> bananas. I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is
> all fruit and vegetables in
produce
> acceptable or should I watch any one of these in particular.
What does your meter tell you?
--
Best wishes Louise
Type 2, controlling by diet and exercise
Jennifer
Sat, Dec-14-02, 20:58
April...
You're brand new to this world... and it's a very
legitimate question.
As a matter of fact the whole food area is the biggest
question we diabetics have!
I like bananas too, but sadly, I've found that as a
diabetic, I can't really eat them the way I used to. Now I
can eat a half a banana occasionally. How do I know that? My
meter told me.
Here's the advice I give all newbies... It should help you get
a handle on the food questions:
There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into
anything. Begin by using your best weapon in this war, your
meter. You won't keel over today, you have time to experiment,
test, learn, test and figure out just how your body and this
disease are getting along. The most important thing you can do
to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test.
The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:
What do I eat?
Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.
What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics
can get great results on wildly different food plans. Some of
us here achieve great blood glucose control eating a high
complex carbohydrate diet. Others find that anything over 75
- 100g of carbs a day is too much. Still others are somewhere
in between.
At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be
handed THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But we
all learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to find
our own path, using the experience of those that went before,
but still having to discover for ourselves how OUR bodies and
this disease were coexisting.
Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own
what works best for us. You can use our experiences as jumping
off points, but eventually you'll work up a successful plan
that is yours alone.
What you are looking to discover is how different foods
affect you. As I'm sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars,
wheat, rice... the things our Grandmas called "starches")
raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein and fat do raise
them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if you're a
T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care
of the rise.
You might want to try some experiments.
First: Eat whatever you've been currently eating... but write
it all down. Test yourself at the following times:
Upon waking (fasting) 1 hour after each meal 2 hours after
each meal At bedtime
That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is
how long after a meal your highest reading comes... and how
fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a meal
that included bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a
higher reading.
Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs. Eliminate
breads, cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato,
corn, fruit... get all your carbs from veggies. Test at the
same schedule above.
If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn
good readings. It's worth a few days to discover.
Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them
affecting your meter.
The thing about this disease... though we share much in common
and we need to follow certain guidelines... in the end, each
of our bodies dictate our treatment and our success.
The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance
we have of avoiding horrible complications. The key here is
AIM... I know that everyone is at a different point in their
disease... and it is progressive. But, if we aim for the best
numbers and do our best, we give ourselves the best shot at
heath we've got. That's all we can do.
Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are
non-diabetic numbers.
FBG under 110 One hour after meals under 140 Two hours after
meals under 120
or for those in the mmol parts of the world:
Fasting Under 6 One hour after meals Under 8 Two hours after
meals Under 6.5
Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers
are your "after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative
of future complications, especially heart problems.
Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic
care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not
absolute. You will end up knowing much more about your body
and how it's handling diabetes than your doctor will. Your
meter is your best weapon.
Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with
anyone but ourselves... Play around with your food plan...
TEST TEST TEST. Learn what foods cause spikes, what foods
cause cravings... Use your body as a science experiment.
You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to
control their diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed.
After awhile you'll learn that there is no one size fits all
around here. Take some time to experiment and you'll soon
discover the plan that works for you.
Best of luck!
Jennifer
April wrote:
> I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> bananas. I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is
> all fruit and vegetables in produce acceptable or should I
> watch any one of these in particular.
You're brand new to this world... and it's a very
legitimate question.
As a matter of fact the whole food area is the biggest
question we diabetics have!
I like bananas too, but sadly, I've found that as a
diabetic, I can't really eat them the way I used to. Now I
can eat a half a banana occasionally. How do I know that? My
meter told me.
Here's the advice I give all newbies... It should help you get
a handle on the food questions:
There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into
anything. Begin by using your best weapon in this war, your
meter. You won't keel over today, you have time to experiment,
test, learn, test and figure out just how your body and this
disease are getting along. The most important thing you can do
to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test.
The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:
What do I eat?
Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.
What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics
can get great results on wildly different food plans. Some of
us here achieve great blood glucose control eating a high
complex carbohydrate diet. Others find that anything over 75
- 100g of carbs a day is too much. Still others are somewhere
in between.
At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be
handed THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But we
all learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to find
our own path, using the experience of those that went before,
but still having to discover for ourselves how OUR bodies and
this disease were coexisting.
Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own
what works best for us. You can use our experiences as jumping
off points, but eventually you'll work up a successful plan
that is yours alone.
What you are looking to discover is how different foods
affect you. As I'm sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars,
wheat, rice... the things our Grandmas called "starches")
raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein and fat do raise
them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if you're a
T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care
of the rise.
You might want to try some experiments.
First: Eat whatever you've been currently eating... but write
it all down. Test yourself at the following times:
Upon waking (fasting) 1 hour after each meal 2 hours after
each meal At bedtime
That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is
how long after a meal your highest reading comes... and how
fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a meal
that included bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a
higher reading.
Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs. Eliminate
breads, cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato,
corn, fruit... get all your carbs from veggies. Test at the
same schedule above.
If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn
good readings. It's worth a few days to discover.
Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them
affecting your meter.
The thing about this disease... though we share much in common
and we need to follow certain guidelines... in the end, each
of our bodies dictate our treatment and our success.
The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance
we have of avoiding horrible complications. The key here is
AIM... I know that everyone is at a different point in their
disease... and it is progressive. But, if we aim for the best
numbers and do our best, we give ourselves the best shot at
heath we've got. That's all we can do.
Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are
non-diabetic numbers.
FBG under 110 One hour after meals under 140 Two hours after
meals under 120
or for those in the mmol parts of the world:
Fasting Under 6 One hour after meals Under 8 Two hours after
meals Under 6.5
Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers
are your "after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative
of future complications, especially heart problems.
Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic
care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not
absolute. You will end up knowing much more about your body
and how it's handling diabetes than your doctor will. Your
meter is your best weapon.
Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with
anyone but ourselves... Play around with your food plan...
TEST TEST TEST. Learn what foods cause spikes, what foods
cause cravings... Use your body as a science experiment.
You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to
control their diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed.
After awhile you'll learn that there is no one size fits all
around here. Take some time to experiment and you'll soon
discover the plan that works for you.
Best of luck!
Jennifer
April wrote:
> I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> bananas. I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is
> all fruit and vegetables in produce acceptable or should I
> watch any one of these in particular.
OORAH!!!!
Sat, Dec-14-02, 20:58
According to my references, the Glycemic Index of banana is
48-54 (reference glucose).
In comparison:
Cherries 22 Dried dates 103 Grapefruit 25 Grapes 43 Kiwi 53
Oranges 32
So, take it easy on the bananas! You may slow carb processing
by adding fat, and fried bananas are great!
48-54 (reference glucose).
In comparison:
Cherries 22 Dried dates 103 Grapefruit 25 Grapes 43 Kiwi 53
Oranges 32
So, take it easy on the bananas! You may slow carb processing
by adding fat, and fried bananas are great!
Julie Bove
Sat, Dec-14-02, 23:56
"April" wrote in message
news:TePK9.46690$Y86.30919@news2.central.cox.net...
> I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> bananas. I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is
> all fruit and vegetables in
produce
> acceptable or should I watch any one of these in particular.
Probably too much unless perhaps that is your only source of
carbs. What does your meter say? Many diabetics find that they
can't eat bananas. Also, a serving of banana for a diabetic is
1/2 of an 8" banana.
Fruits and vegetables are not all alike to diabetics. Most
fruits are high in carbs and it is carbs that raise our BG the
most. The ones that are lower in carbs are usually so tart or
sour that they need sweetener. Like cranberries or rhubarb.
Many of us either eliminate fruits or eat them sparingly.
Not all vegetables are alike either. Some are low in carbs,
like tomatoes, carrots, onions, lettuce, green beans and
broccoli. Others are high in carbs, like peas, dried beans,
corn and potatoes.
For a diabetic, all carbs must be accounted for. So the
obvious sources of them are the ones we must watch the most.
Even though green beans are not high in carbs, they are not a
food I can eat in unlimited quantities. Why? Because if I do,
my BG will be too high.
Have you seen a dietician? If not, you should. He or she will
explain the different foods to you and will probably give you
examples of portion size. But more important, is what your
meter tells you. Some people find they can't eat potatoes
because they spike their BG. I have no problem with them at
all, so long as I do not eat more than 3 servings at a meal.
We're all different and different foods affect us differently.
--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting
from new account
news:TePK9.46690$Y86.30919@news2.central.cox.net...
> I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> bananas. I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is
> all fruit and vegetables in
produce
> acceptable or should I watch any one of these in particular.
Probably too much unless perhaps that is your only source of
carbs. What does your meter say? Many diabetics find that they
can't eat bananas. Also, a serving of banana for a diabetic is
1/2 of an 8" banana.
Fruits and vegetables are not all alike to diabetics. Most
fruits are high in carbs and it is carbs that raise our BG the
most. The ones that are lower in carbs are usually so tart or
sour that they need sweetener. Like cranberries or rhubarb.
Many of us either eliminate fruits or eat them sparingly.
Not all vegetables are alike either. Some are low in carbs,
like tomatoes, carrots, onions, lettuce, green beans and
broccoli. Others are high in carbs, like peas, dried beans,
corn and potatoes.
For a diabetic, all carbs must be accounted for. So the
obvious sources of them are the ones we must watch the most.
Even though green beans are not high in carbs, they are not a
food I can eat in unlimited quantities. Why? Because if I do,
my BG will be too high.
Have you seen a dietician? If not, you should. He or she will
explain the different foods to you and will probably give you
examples of portion size. But more important, is what your
meter tells you. Some people find they can't eat potatoes
because they spike their BG. I have no problem with them at
all, so long as I do not eat more than 3 servings at a meal.
We're all different and different foods affect us differently.
--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting
from new account
Mirzabah
Sat, Dec-14-02, 23:56
news:3DFBEBAD.70710C00@introtech.com...
> According to my references, the Glycemic Index of banana
> is 48-54
(reference
> glucose).
>
> In comparison:
>
> Cherries 22 Dried dates 103 Grapefruit 25 Grapes 43 Kiwi 53
> Oranges 32
>
> So, take it easy on the bananas! You may slow carb
> processing by adding
fat, and
> fried bananas are great!
And this is one of the things I don't quite get. A
glucose-referenced GI of 54 is actually *low* 70+ is high,
56-69 is moderate and 55 or under is low. Sure, bananas are
high compared to many other fruits, but they are a lot lower
than other foods that have much less nutritional value. Both
my endo and my dietician put bananas in the "good" list.
One of the things you will learn is that something works for
other diabetics won't necessarily work for you. Some of us do
very well on a "normal" diet. Others need only look at a
potato for their glucose levels to go critical. Use your meter
to find out which foods work for you. I'm betting that there
are other things in your pre-diagnosis diet that are much more
problematic than bananas.
Cheers, John Carney.
Quentin Gr
Sun, Dec-15-02, 06:56
This post not CC'd by email On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:26:34
+1100, "Mirzabah" wrote:
>
> wrote in message
>news:3DFBEBAD.70710C00@introtech.com...
>> According to my references, the Glycemic Index of banana
>> is 48-54
>(reference
>> glucose).
>>
>> In comparison:
>>
>> Cherries 22 Dried dates 103 Grapefruit 25 Grapes 43 Kiwi 53
>> Oranges 32
>>
>> So, take it easy on the bananas! You may slow carb
>> processing by adding
>fat, and
>> fried bananas are great!
>
>And this is one of the things I don't quite get. A
>glucose-referenced GI of 54 is actually *low* 70+ is high,
>56-69 is moderate and 55 or under is low. Sure, bananas are
>high compared to many other fruits, but they are a lot lower
>than other foods that have much less nutritional value. Both
>my endo and my dietician put bananas in the "good" list.
G'day G'day John,
Yes it is tempting to look only at the GI and wonder why
bananas tend to spike.
If we take a large bananas it would supply 32 grams of carb.
With a GI of say 50 that would mean one large banana supplies
16 grams of glucose to the blood. What this does to your blood
glucose levels depends on how much blood you have and how fast
you are removing glucose from your blood. Put simply one large
banana it like being an IV push of 16 grams of glucose.
If one takes a large orange it would supply 22 grams of carb.
With a GI of 32 we get the equivalent of an IV push of 7
grams of glucose. Even though the large orange is bigger than
the large banana we get LESS than half the glucose in our
blood stream.
>One of the things you will learn is that something works for
>other diabetics won't necessarily work for you. Some of us do
>very well on a "normal" diet. Others need only look at a
>potato for their glucose levels to go critical.
Right on.
>Use your meter to find out which foods work for you.
Welcome to ASD philosophy 101, in case you hadn't
guessed by now.
>I'm betting that there are other things in your pre-diagnosis
>diet that are much more problematic than bananas.
IMHO an astute observation well worth the making.
Let's try white bread, low fat. One slice supplies 21 grams of
carb. GI = 70. Gives an IV glucose push of about 15 grams.
Let's try some pita bread. One slice 33 grams. GI = 57. IV
glucose push of about 19 grams.
One slice rye bread, 15 grams carb. GI = 62. IV glucose push
of about 9 grams.
There are other breads with lower GI which give less
glucose push.
One baked potato, 33 grams carb. GI = 93 IV glucose push = 31
grams. Ouch.
>Cheers, John Carney.
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the
blind dog was leading."
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
+1100, "Mirzabah"
>
>
>news:3DFBEBAD.70710C00@introtech.com...
>> According to my references, the Glycemic Index of banana
>> is 48-54
>(reference
>> glucose).
>>
>> In comparison:
>>
>> Cherries 22 Dried dates 103 Grapefruit 25 Grapes 43 Kiwi 53
>> Oranges 32
>>
>> So, take it easy on the bananas! You may slow carb
>> processing by adding
>fat, and
>> fried bananas are great!
>
>And this is one of the things I don't quite get. A
>glucose-referenced GI of 54 is actually *low* 70+ is high,
>56-69 is moderate and 55 or under is low. Sure, bananas are
>high compared to many other fruits, but they are a lot lower
>than other foods that have much less nutritional value. Both
>my endo and my dietician put bananas in the "good" list.
G'day G'day John,
Yes it is tempting to look only at the GI and wonder why
bananas tend to spike.
If we take a large bananas it would supply 32 grams of carb.
With a GI of say 50 that would mean one large banana supplies
16 grams of glucose to the blood. What this does to your blood
glucose levels depends on how much blood you have and how fast
you are removing glucose from your blood. Put simply one large
banana it like being an IV push of 16 grams of glucose.
If one takes a large orange it would supply 22 grams of carb.
With a GI of 32 we get the equivalent of an IV push of 7
grams of glucose. Even though the large orange is bigger than
the large banana we get LESS than half the glucose in our
blood stream.
>One of the things you will learn is that something works for
>other diabetics won't necessarily work for you. Some of us do
>very well on a "normal" diet. Others need only look at a
>potato for their glucose levels to go critical.
Right on.
>Use your meter to find out which foods work for you.
Welcome to ASD philosophy 101, in case you hadn't
guessed by now.
>I'm betting that there are other things in your pre-diagnosis
>diet that are much more problematic than bananas.
IMHO an astute observation well worth the making.
Let's try white bread, low fat. One slice supplies 21 grams of
carb. GI = 70. Gives an IV glucose push of about 15 grams.
Let's try some pita bread. One slice 33 grams. GI = 57. IV
glucose push of about 19 grams.
One slice rye bread, 15 grams carb. GI = 62. IV glucose push
of about 9 grams.
There are other breads with lower GI which give less
glucose push.
One baked potato, 33 grams carb. GI = 93 IV glucose push = 31
grams. Ouch.
>Cheers, John Carney.
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the
blind dog was leading."
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
April
Sun, Dec-15-02, 13:57
Thanks alot Jennifer and to all for your opinions. Guess I
better visit a dietician.
"Jennifer" wrote in message
news:3DFBDBA2.5080001@earthlink.net...
> April...
>
> You're brand new to this world... and it's a very legitimate
> question.
>
> As a matter of fact the whole food area is the biggest
> question we diabetics have!
>
> I like bananas too, but sadly, I've found that as a
> diabetic, I can't really eat them the way I used to. Now I
> can eat a half a banana occasionally. How do I know that? My
> meter told me.
>
> Here's the advice I give all newbies... It should help you
> get a handle on the food questions:
>
> There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into
> anything. Begin by using your best weapon in this war, your
> meter. You won't keel over today, you have time to
> experiment, test, learn, test and figure out just how your
> body and this disease are getting along. The most important
> thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is
> test test test.
>
> The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:
>
> What do I eat?
>
> Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.
>
> What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics
> can get great results on wildly different food plans. Some
> of us here achieve great blood glucose control eating a high
> complex carbohydrate diet. Others find that anything over 75
> - 100g of carbs a day is too much. Still others are
> somewhere in between.
>
> At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be
> handed THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But
> we all learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to
> find our own path, using the experience of those that went
> before, but still having to discover for ourselves how OUR
> bodies and this disease were coexisting.
>
> Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own
> what works
best
> for us. You can use our experiences as jumping off points,
> but eventually you'll work up a successful plan that is
> yours alone.
>
> What you are looking to discover is how different foods
> affect you. As
I'm
> sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice... the
> things our Grandmas called "starches") raise blood sugars
> the most rapidly. Protein and fat do raise them, but not as
> high and much more slowly... so if
you're
> a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take
> care of the
rise.
>
> You might want to try some experiments.
>
> First: Eat whatever you've been currently eating... but
> write it all down. Test yourself at the following times:
>
> Upon waking (fasting) 1 hour after each meal 2 hours after
> each meal At bedtime
>
> That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is
> how long after a meal your highest reading comes... and how
> fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a meal
> that included bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a higher
> reading.
>
> Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs.
> Eliminate breads, cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products,
> potato, corn, fruit... get all your carbs from veggies. Test
> at the same schedule above.
>
> If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty
> damn good readings. It's worth a few days to discover.
>
> Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them
> affecting your meter.
>
> The thing about this disease... though we share much in
> common and we need to follow certain guidelines... in the
> end, each of our bodies dictate our treatment and our
> success.
>
> The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater
> chance we have of avoiding horrible complications. The key
> here is AIM... I know that everyone is at a different point
> in their disease... and it is
progressive.
> But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, we
> give ourselves the best shot at heath we've got. That's all
> we can do.
>
> Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are
> non-diabetic
numbers.
>
> FBG under 110 One hour after meals under 140 Two hours after
> meals under 120
>
> or for those in the mmol parts of the world:
>
> Fasting Under 6 One hour after meals Under 8 Two hours after
> meals Under 6.5
>
> Recent studies have indicated that the most important
> numbers are your "after meal" numbers. They may be the most
> indicative of future complications, especially heart
> problems.
>
> Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your
> diabetic care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is
> not absolute. You will end up knowing much more about your
> body and how it's handling diabetes than your doctor will.
> Your meter is your best weapon.
>
> Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with
> anyone but ourselves... Play around with your food plan...
> TEST TEST TEST. Learn
what
> foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use your
> body as a
science
> experiment.
>
> You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to
> control their diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed.
> After awhile you'll learn that there is no one size fits all
> around here. Take some time to experiment and you'll soon
> discover the plan that works for you.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Jennifer
>
>
> April wrote:
> > I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> > bananas. I
probably
> > eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is all fruit and
> > vegetables in
produce
> > acceptable or should I watch any one of these in
> > particular.
> >
better visit a dietician.
"Jennifer"
news:3DFBDBA2.5080001@earthlink.net...
> April...
>
> You're brand new to this world... and it's a very legitimate
> question.
>
> As a matter of fact the whole food area is the biggest
> question we diabetics have!
>
> I like bananas too, but sadly, I've found that as a
> diabetic, I can't really eat them the way I used to. Now I
> can eat a half a banana occasionally. How do I know that? My
> meter told me.
>
> Here's the advice I give all newbies... It should help you
> get a handle on the food questions:
>
> There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into
> anything. Begin by using your best weapon in this war, your
> meter. You won't keel over today, you have time to
> experiment, test, learn, test and figure out just how your
> body and this disease are getting along. The most important
> thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is
> test test test.
>
> The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:
>
> What do I eat?
>
> Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.
>
> What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics
> can get great results on wildly different food plans. Some
> of us here achieve great blood glucose control eating a high
> complex carbohydrate diet. Others find that anything over 75
> - 100g of carbs a day is too much. Still others are
> somewhere in between.
>
> At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be
> handed THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But
> we all learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to
> find our own path, using the experience of those that went
> before, but still having to discover for ourselves how OUR
> bodies and this disease were coexisting.
>
> Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own
> what works
best
> for us. You can use our experiences as jumping off points,
> but eventually you'll work up a successful plan that is
> yours alone.
>
> What you are looking to discover is how different foods
> affect you. As
I'm
> sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice... the
> things our Grandmas called "starches") raise blood sugars
> the most rapidly. Protein and fat do raise them, but not as
> high and much more slowly... so if
you're
> a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take
> care of the
rise.
>
> You might want to try some experiments.
>
> First: Eat whatever you've been currently eating... but
> write it all down. Test yourself at the following times:
>
> Upon waking (fasting) 1 hour after each meal 2 hours after
> each meal At bedtime
>
> That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is
> how long after a meal your highest reading comes... and how
> fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a meal
> that included bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a higher
> reading.
>
> Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs.
> Eliminate breads, cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products,
> potato, corn, fruit... get all your carbs from veggies. Test
> at the same schedule above.
>
> If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty
> damn good readings. It's worth a few days to discover.
>
> Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them
> affecting your meter.
>
> The thing about this disease... though we share much in
> common and we need to follow certain guidelines... in the
> end, each of our bodies dictate our treatment and our
> success.
>
> The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater
> chance we have of avoiding horrible complications. The key
> here is AIM... I know that everyone is at a different point
> in their disease... and it is
progressive.
> But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, we
> give ourselves the best shot at heath we've got. That's all
> we can do.
>
> Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are
> non-diabetic
numbers.
>
> FBG under 110 One hour after meals under 140 Two hours after
> meals under 120
>
> or for those in the mmol parts of the world:
>
> Fasting Under 6 One hour after meals Under 8 Two hours after
> meals Under 6.5
>
> Recent studies have indicated that the most important
> numbers are your "after meal" numbers. They may be the most
> indicative of future complications, especially heart
> problems.
>
> Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your
> diabetic care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is
> not absolute. You will end up knowing much more about your
> body and how it's handling diabetes than your doctor will.
> Your meter is your best weapon.
>
> Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with
> anyone but ourselves... Play around with your food plan...
> TEST TEST TEST. Learn
what
> foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use your
> body as a
science
> experiment.
>
> You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to
> control their diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed.
> After awhile you'll learn that there is no one size fits all
> around here. Take some time to experiment and you'll soon
> discover the plan that works for you.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Jennifer
>
>
> April wrote:
> > I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> > bananas. I
probably
> > eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is all fruit and
> > vegetables in
produce
> > acceptable or should I watch any one of these in
> > particular.
> >
Irv Finkle
Sun, Dec-15-02, 13:57
Quentin Grady wrote:
>
> Yes it is tempting to look only at the GI and wonder why
> bananas tend to spike.
>
> If we take .....
Quentin! Thanks for this marvellous explanation of how the GI
works (with calculations). Until now I have just looked at the
GI, then the carb count, and dismissed many foods from my diet
that I now see could be safely handled. You have opened up a
whole new repertoire to my diet! Thanks a Million!
--
Diagnosed Type II Diabetes March 5 2001 Beating it with diet
and exercise!
297/215/210 (to be revised lower) 58"/43"(!)/44" (already
lower too!)
--------------------
Visit my FINALLY UPDATED website at
http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv/
--------------------
Irv Finkleman, Grampa/Ex-Navy/Old Fart/Ham Radio VE6BP
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
>
> Yes it is tempting to look only at the GI and wonder why
> bananas tend to spike.
>
> If we take .....
Quentin! Thanks for this marvellous explanation of how the GI
works (with calculations). Until now I have just looked at the
GI, then the carb count, and dismissed many foods from my diet
that I now see could be safely handled. You have opened up a
whole new repertoire to my diet! Thanks a Million!
--
Diagnosed Type II Diabetes March 5 2001 Beating it with diet
and exercise!
297/215/210 (to be revised lower) 58"/43"(!)/44" (already
lower too!)
--------------------
Visit my FINALLY UPDATED website at
http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv/
--------------------
Irv Finkleman, Grampa/Ex-Navy/Old Fart/Ham Radio VE6BP
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Quentin Gr
Sun, Dec-15-02, 20:59
This post not CC'd by email On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:19:17 GMT,
Irv Finkleman wrote:
>Quentin Grady wrote:
>>
>
>> Yes it is tempting to look only at the GI and wonder why
>> bananas tend to spike.
>>
>> If we take .....
>
>Quentin! Thanks for this marvellous explanation of how the GI
>works (with calculations). Until now I have just looked at
>the GI, then the carb count, and dismissed many foods from my
>diet that I now see could be safely handled. You have opened
>up a whole new repertoire to my diet! Thanks a Million!
G'day G'day Irv,
From a teaching strategy point of view this is most
interesting. You understood the pattern from my examples ...
yet I didn't provide a formula. Formulas look like math and
I guess that scares a lot of people. Whatever ... I'm
delighted that I have shown you a way to safely increase the
range of food you eat.
BTW someone has done all the hard graft for you. Rick Mendosa
has a site that does just that. He calculates glycemic LOAD.
This is gives the equivalent IV push of glucose into your
blood of a serving of many, many foods. To make the downloads
much more rapid he has them in zip format.
http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm
Some sites are fabulously helpful. This is one of them and it
is entirely free.
Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the
blind dog was leading."
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
Irv Finkleman
>Quentin Grady wrote:
>>
>
>> Yes it is tempting to look only at the GI and wonder why
>> bananas tend to spike.
>>
>> If we take .....
>
>Quentin! Thanks for this marvellous explanation of how the GI
>works (with calculations). Until now I have just looked at
>the GI, then the carb count, and dismissed many foods from my
>diet that I now see could be safely handled. You have opened
>up a whole new repertoire to my diet! Thanks a Million!
G'day G'day Irv,
From a teaching strategy point of view this is most
interesting. You understood the pattern from my examples ...
yet I didn't provide a formula. Formulas look like math and
I guess that scares a lot of people. Whatever ... I'm
delighted that I have shown you a way to safely increase the
range of food you eat.
BTW someone has done all the hard graft for you. Rick Mendosa
has a site that does just that. He calculates glycemic LOAD.
This is gives the equivalent IV push of glucose into your
blood of a serving of many, many foods. To make the downloads
much more rapid he has them in zip format.
http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm
Some sites are fabulously helpful. This is one of them and it
is entirely free.
Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the
blind dog was leading."
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
Wendy Bake
Mon, Dec-16-02, 20:59
Mirzabah wrote:
: wrote in message
: news:3DFBEBAD.70710C00@introtech.com...
:> According to my references, the Glycemic Index of banana
:> is 48-54
: (reference
:> glucose).
:>
:> In comparison:
:>
:> Cherries 22 Dried dates 103 Grapefruit 25 Grapes 43 Kiwi 53
:> Oranges 32
:>
:> So, take it easy on the bananas! You may slow carb
:> processing by adding
: fat, and
:> fried bananas are great!
: And this is one of the things I don't quite get. A
: glucose-referenced GI of 54 is actually *low* 70+ is high,
: 56-69 is moderate and 55 or under is low. Sure, bananas are
: high compared to many other fruits, but they are a lot lower
: than other foods that have much less nutritional value. Both
: my endo and my dietician put bananas in the "good" list.
: One of the things you will learn is that something works for
: other diabetics won't necessarily work for you. Some of us
: do very well on a "normal" diet. Others need only look at a
: potato for their glucose levels to go critical. Use your
: meter to find out which foods work for you. I'm betting that
: there are other things in your pre-diagnosis diet that are
: much more problematic than bananas.
: Cheers, John Carney.
When I saw that 1/2 a banana or 1 orange or one modest apple,
or 1 1/2C strawberries, or 3/4C blueberries, etc all were the
sme in carbohydrates, I dropped the bananas from my diet. I ws
looking for the biggest bang for my carbohydrate buck. This is
a personal matter, but just be aware of teh choices.
Wendy Baker
:
: news:3DFBEBAD.70710C00@introtech.com...
:> According to my references, the Glycemic Index of banana
:> is 48-54
: (reference
:> glucose).
:>
:> In comparison:
:>
:> Cherries 22 Dried dates 103 Grapefruit 25 Grapes 43 Kiwi 53
:> Oranges 32
:>
:> So, take it easy on the bananas! You may slow carb
:> processing by adding
: fat, and
:> fried bananas are great!
: And this is one of the things I don't quite get. A
: glucose-referenced GI of 54 is actually *low* 70+ is high,
: 56-69 is moderate and 55 or under is low. Sure, bananas are
: high compared to many other fruits, but they are a lot lower
: than other foods that have much less nutritional value. Both
: my endo and my dietician put bananas in the "good" list.
: One of the things you will learn is that something works for
: other diabetics won't necessarily work for you. Some of us
: do very well on a "normal" diet. Others need only look at a
: potato for their glucose levels to go critical. Use your
: meter to find out which foods work for you. I'm betting that
: there are other things in your pre-diagnosis diet that are
: much more problematic than bananas.
: Cheers, John Carney.
When I saw that 1/2 a banana or 1 orange or one modest apple,
or 1 1/2C strawberries, or 3/4C blueberries, etc all were the
sme in carbohydrates, I dropped the bananas from my diet. I ws
looking for the biggest bang for my carbohydrate buck. This is
a personal matter, but just be aware of teh choices.
Wendy Baker
Normc
Wed, Dec-18-02, 21:00
Mirzabah wrote:
>
> wrote in message
> news:3DFBEBAD.70710C00@introtech.com...
> > According to my references, the Glycemic Index of banana
> > is 48-54
> (reference
> > glucose).
> >
> > In comparison:
> >
> > Cherries 22 Dried dates 103 Grapefruit 25 Grapes 43 Kiwi
> > 53 Oranges 32
> >
> > So, take it easy on the bananas! You may slow carb
> > processing by adding
> fat, and
> > fried bananas are great!
>
> And this is one of the things I don't quite get. A
> glucose-referenced GI of 54 is actually *low* 70+ is high,
> 56-69 is moderate and 55 or under is low. Sure, bananas are
> high compared to many other fruits, but they are a lot lower
> than other foods that have much less nutritional value. Both
> my endo and my dietician put bananas in the "good" list.
A little different situation for me, but the same conclusions.
Perhaps 'things' have changed in the last few years. My
internist has said the same thing for five years. I was one of
his first patients after he graduated Harvard Med School and
specialized in nutrition at UCLA. He is board certified by the
American Board of Nutrition, and if he has any questions, he
can ask his wife. She's a registered
dietician/nutritionist.
>
> One of the things you will learn is that something works for
> other diabetics won't necessarily work for you. Some of us
> do very well on a "normal" diet. Others need only look at a
> potato for their glucose levels to go critical. Use your
> meter to find out which foods work for you. I'm betting that
> there are other things in your pre-diagnosis diet that are
> much more problematic than bananas.
IMHO, you're 100% on-target here. Some of us, when we were
newbies, may have already developed some kidney
'insufficiencies' (for me, excess protein in urine) before we
were diagnosed and/or started reading here. So a high protein,
low carb meal-plan, without any qualifications, would
certainly not have been the way to go. Just a well balanced
meal-plan, a1c every three months, some meds, and some home
finger pricks just to check that all important matter, as you
stated...., of me.
--
Sleep/eat well Norm Type2
To email replace nospam with rr
>
>
> news:3DFBEBAD.70710C00@introtech.com...
> > According to my references, the Glycemic Index of banana
> > is 48-54
> (reference
> > glucose).
> >
> > In comparison:
> >
> > Cherries 22 Dried dates 103 Grapefruit 25 Grapes 43 Kiwi
> > 53 Oranges 32
> >
> > So, take it easy on the bananas! You may slow carb
> > processing by adding
> fat, and
> > fried bananas are great!
>
> And this is one of the things I don't quite get. A
> glucose-referenced GI of 54 is actually *low* 70+ is high,
> 56-69 is moderate and 55 or under is low. Sure, bananas are
> high compared to many other fruits, but they are a lot lower
> than other foods that have much less nutritional value. Both
> my endo and my dietician put bananas in the "good" list.
A little different situation for me, but the same conclusions.
Perhaps 'things' have changed in the last few years. My
internist has said the same thing for five years. I was one of
his first patients after he graduated Harvard Med School and
specialized in nutrition at UCLA. He is board certified by the
American Board of Nutrition, and if he has any questions, he
can ask his wife
dietician/nutritionist.
>
> One of the things you will learn is that something works for
> other diabetics won't necessarily work for you. Some of us
> do very well on a "normal" diet. Others need only look at a
> potato for their glucose levels to go critical. Use your
> meter to find out which foods work for you. I'm betting that
> there are other things in your pre-diagnosis diet that are
> much more problematic than bananas.
IMHO, you're 100% on-target here. Some of us, when we were
newbies, may have already developed some kidney
'insufficiencies' (for me, excess protein in urine) before we
were diagnosed and/or started reading here. So a high protein,
low carb meal-plan, without any qualifications, would
certainly not have been the way to go. Just a well balanced
meal-plan, a1c every three months, some meds, and some home
finger pricks just to check that all important matter, as you
stated...., of me.
--
Sleep/eat well Norm Type2
To email replace nospam with rr
Normc
Wed, Dec-18-02, 21:00
Mirzabah wrote:
>
> wrote in message
> news:3DFBEBAD.70710C00@introtech.com...
> > According to my references, the Glycemic Index of banana
> > is 48-54
> (reference
> > glucose).
> >
> > In comparison:
> >
> > Cherries 22 Dried dates 103 Grapefruit 25 Grapes 43 Kiwi
> > 53 Oranges 32
> >
> > So, take it easy on the bananas! You may slow carb
> > processing by adding
> fat, and
> > fried bananas are great!
>
> And this is one of the things I don't quite get. A
> glucose-referenced GI of 54 is actually *low* 70+ is high,
> 56-69 is moderate and 55 or under is low. Sure, bananas are
> high compared to many other fruits, but they are a lot lower
> than other foods that have much less nutritional value. Both
> my endo and my dietician put bananas in the "good" list.
Another example of what you are saying: I once told my
internist (Diplomate American Board of Nutrition) that I was
eating Wheaties instead of Shredded Wheat because the latter
has many more carbs. He said I should be eating Shredded Wheat
because, IN THIS CASE, the source of the carbs is more
important, __FOR ME__. Any ideas on what he meant by "source"?
Or even if he was BSing me because he was overbooked and
didn't have enough time.
And ^^^^^^^^ (drum roll) the regulars from over two years ago
will remember this (they blew me right out of this NG, which
was easy to do since I developed sleep apnea at that time
). The same internist also told me that because of the
quality, balanced nutrition provided by liquid Slim-Fast,
__I__ could use one for __my__ lunches, if I chose to do so.
John - Am I understanding you correctly? Is this along the
lines of what you are trying to say? Or is it too extreme
for you?
>
> One of the things you will learn is that something works for
> other diabetics won't necessarily work for you. Some of us
> do very well on a "normal" diet. Others need only look at a
> potato for their glucose levels to go critical. Use your
> meter to find out which foods work for you. I'm betting that
> there are other things in your pre-diagnosis diet that are
> much more problematic than bananas.
>
> Cheers, John Carney.
--
Sleep good! Norm
To email replace nospam with rr
>
>
> news:3DFBEBAD.70710C00@introtech.com...
> > According to my references, the Glycemic Index of banana
> > is 48-54
> (reference
> > glucose).
> >
> > In comparison:
> >
> > Cherries 22 Dried dates 103 Grapefruit 25 Grapes 43 Kiwi
> > 53 Oranges 32
> >
> > So, take it easy on the bananas! You may slow carb
> > processing by adding
> fat, and
> > fried bananas are great!
>
> And this is one of the things I don't quite get. A
> glucose-referenced GI of 54 is actually *low* 70+ is high,
> 56-69 is moderate and 55 or under is low. Sure, bananas are
> high compared to many other fruits, but they are a lot lower
> than other foods that have much less nutritional value. Both
> my endo and my dietician put bananas in the "good" list.
Another example of what you are saying: I once told my
internist (Diplomate American Board of Nutrition) that I was
eating Wheaties instead of Shredded Wheat because the latter
has many more carbs. He said I should be eating Shredded Wheat
because, IN THIS CASE, the source of the carbs is more
important, __FOR ME__. Any ideas on what he meant by "source"?
Or even if he was BSing me because he was overbooked and
didn't have enough time.
And ^^^^^^^^ (drum roll) the regulars from over two years ago
will remember this (they blew me right out of this NG, which
was easy to do since I developed sleep apnea at that time
quality, balanced nutrition provided by liquid Slim-Fast,
__I__ could use one for __my__ lunches, if I chose to do so.
John - Am I understanding you correctly? Is this along the
lines of what you are trying to say? Or is it too extreme
for you
>
> One of the things you will learn is that something works for
> other diabetics won't necessarily work for you. Some of us
> do very well on a "normal" diet. Others need only look at a
> potato for their glucose levels to go critical. Use your
> meter to find out which foods work for you. I'm betting that
> there are other things in your pre-diagnosis diet that are
> much more problematic than bananas.
>
> Cheers, John Carney.
--
Sleep good! Norm
To email replace nospam with rr
Carl Hunt
Wed, Jan-29-03, 22:32
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:35:15 -0500, April wrote (in message
):
> I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> bananas. I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is
> all fruit and vegetables in produce acceptable or should I
> watch any one of these in particular.
>
>
Beats me. I was diagnosed with Type II last wee also. I'm just
beginning to learn. - Cheers- Carl
Banana
Nutrition Facts Serving Size 1 medium (7" to 7-7/8" long) =
118 g Amount Per Serving Calories 110 Calories from fat 0
Total Fat 0g Saturated Fat 0g Cholesterol 0mg Sodium 0mg
Total Carbohyrate 28g Fiber 3g Protein 1g
"The world is as we are." - Indian Proverb
> I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> bananas. I probably eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is
> all fruit and vegetables in produce acceptable or should I
> watch any one of these in particular.
>
>
Beats me. I was diagnosed with Type II last wee also. I'm just
beginning to learn. - Cheers- Carl
Banana
Nutrition Facts Serving Size 1 medium (7" to 7-7/8" long) =
118 g Amount Per Serving Calories 110 Calories from fat 0
Total Fat 0g Saturated Fat 0g Cholesterol 0mg Sodium 0mg
Total Carbohyrate 28g Fiber 3g Protein 1g
"The world is as we are." - Indian Proverb
Annette
Wed, Jan-29-03, 22:32
"Carl Hunt Hays III" wrote in message
news:0001HW.BA58BC4A0015E1A3F0305600@news.cox.net...
> On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:35:15 -0500, April wrote (in message
>):
>
> > I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> > bananas. I
probably
> > eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is all fruit and
vegetables in produce
> > acceptable or should I watch any one of these in
> > particular.
> >
> >
What does your meter say? That's the best way to determine
what raises your blood glucose the most.
Most of us T2's find that we have to limit the amount of
carbohydrates in our diet. Bananas, although delicious, are
high in carbohydrate. If you'd like to see what happens when
you eat one, test your bg just before you eat, then at 2 hrs
after the first bite.
The most obvious carbohydrates are those we call sugars and
starches. When it comers to fruit and vegetables, the
sweeter or starchier, the higher the carbohydrate count is
likely to be.
You can get some idea from food lists that give the
percentages, and the Glycaemic Index that shows how much
impact the carbs in some foods have on bg.
Still, there IS a difference in how some things affect
individuals. One person may be able to eat tomatoes, for
example, without any spike, while *I* must limit my intake to
no more than 1/2 a medium tomato at one time. How do I know
that? By using my meter as described. Trial and error.
This is a confusing time for most people, learning about how
different foods affect their blood glucose. The aim is to
reduce such inputs and hopefully keep your bg under better
control (lower and more even).
There are three main strategies.
1. Oral medications and/or insulin. You need to follow your
doctors advice in this regard.
2. Diet. It is better to look at this as a change in your way
of eating and choice of foods, rather than a "diet" with
it's suggestion of deprivation and going hungry. That is
not what this is all about. But it will take flexibility
and a willingness to change, and that's difficult enough -
we are creatures of habit.
3. Exercise. There are two main classes of exercise -
aerobic (walking, cycling, running etc) and anaerobic
(muscle building, working out, lifting weights etc). Both
improve fitness, cardiovascular health and glucose
uptake. There is evidence that it is beneficial for
psychological health as well.
If you haven't yet obtained a meter, do so as soon as you can.
It will be your best friend in managing this disease on a
daily basis. It is like a window into what is happening inside
your blood stream.
There's a lot to learn and take in, but don't worry, you'll
get a good grip on things sooner than you think, and there's
plenty of time. Many here will tell you that they are
healthier now than they have been for years! The dx of
diabetes was a wake up call to take better care of themselves.
Welcome to asd, and all the best for the future.
Annette
news:0001HW.BA58BC4A0015E1A3F0305600@news.cox.net...
> On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:35:15 -0500, April wrote (in message
>
>
> > I am a type 2 diabetic (diagnosed 1 week ago). I love
> > bananas. I
probably
> > eat 4-5 a day. Is that too much?? And is all fruit and
vegetables in produce
> > acceptable or should I watch any one of these in
> > particular.
> >
> >
What does your meter say? That's the best way to determine
what raises your blood glucose the most.
Most of us T2's find that we have to limit the amount of
carbohydrates in our diet. Bananas, although delicious, are
high in carbohydrate. If you'd like to see what happens when
you eat one, test your bg just before you eat, then at 2 hrs
after the first bite.
The most obvious carbohydrates are those we call sugars and
starches. When it comers to fruit and vegetables, the
sweeter or starchier, the higher the carbohydrate count is
likely to be.
You can get some idea from food lists that give the
percentages, and the Glycaemic Index that shows how much
impact the carbs in some foods have on bg.
Still, there IS a difference in how some things affect
individuals. One person may be able to eat tomatoes, for
example, without any spike, while *I* must limit my intake to
no more than 1/2 a medium tomato at one time. How do I know
that? By using my meter as described. Trial and error.
This is a confusing time for most people, learning about how
different foods affect their blood glucose. The aim is to
reduce such inputs and hopefully keep your bg under better
control (lower and more even).
There are three main strategies.
1. Oral medications and/or insulin. You need to follow your
doctors advice in this regard.
2. Diet. It is better to look at this as a change in your way
of eating and choice of foods, rather than a "diet" with
it's suggestion of deprivation and going hungry. That is
not what this is all about. But it will take flexibility
and a willingness to change, and that's difficult enough -
we are creatures of habit.
3. Exercise. There are two main classes of exercise -
aerobic (walking, cycling, running etc) and anaerobic
(muscle building, working out, lifting weights etc). Both
improve fitness, cardiovascular health and glucose
uptake. There is evidence that it is beneficial for
psychological health as well.
If you haven't yet obtained a meter, do so as soon as you can.
It will be your best friend in managing this disease on a
daily basis. It is like a window into what is happening inside
your blood stream.
There's a lot to learn and take in, but don't worry, you'll
get a good grip on things sooner than you think, and there's
plenty of time. Many here will tell you that they are
healthier now than they have been for years! The dx of
diabetes was a wake up call to take better care of themselves.
Welcome to asd, and all the best for the future.
Annette
Loretta Ei
Wed, Jan-29-03, 22:33
Are you testing, I cant even eat a half a banana let alone
four or five a day, Not all fruits and vegetables are created
equal, fruits in the melon and berry family are less dangerous
for me,. I cant do oranges, apples or bananas, Occasionally I
have a quarter of a banana for cereal but it is a no no for
me, YMMV but not for four or five a day,
Loretta
--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State of
Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife
and terrorism.
four or five a day, Not all fruits and vegetables are created
equal, fruits in the melon and berry family are less dangerous
for me,. I cant do oranges, apples or bananas, Occasionally I
have a quarter of a banana for cereal but it is a no no for
me, YMMV but not for four or five a day,
Loretta
--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State of
Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife
and terrorism.
Rk
Wed, Jan-29-03, 22:33
Loretta, my endo told me to test from the first bite as well,
since the minute food hits our mouth, the salvia glands start
to break dwn the enzimes..
Think about it.. food doesn't start processing in your system
when you are done.. hows it to know? it does know however when
we start to eat.. only logical..
Reisa
"Loretta Eisenberg" wrote in message news-
:27613-3E340D28-31@storefull-2193.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> Annette I was told to test two hours after finishing the
> meal not after the first bite and I have been doing that
> since diagnosis. 'Where did you get your information and
> what do the majority here do, My a1c is 5 and I always test
> two hours after the meal.
>
> Loretta
>
> --
> In tribute to the United States of America and the State of
> Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with
> strife and terrorism.
since the minute food hits our mouth, the salvia glands start
to break dwn the enzimes..
Think about it.. food doesn't start processing in your system
when you are done.. hows it to know? it does know however when
we start to eat.. only logical..
Reisa
"Loretta Eisenberg"
:27613-3E340D28-31@storefull-2193.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> Annette I was told to test two hours after finishing the
> meal not after the first bite and I have been doing that
> since diagnosis. 'Where did you get your information and
> what do the majority here do, My a1c is 5 and I always test
> two hours after the meal.
>
> Loretta
>
> --
> In tribute to the United States of America and the State of
> Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with
> strife and terrorism.
Eldritch
Wed, Jan-29-03, 22:33
Loretta Eisenberg wrote:
> Annette I was told to test two hours after finishing the
> meal not after the first bite and I have been doing that
> since diagnosis. 'Where did you get your information and
> what do the majority here do, My a1c is 5 and I always test
> two hours after the meal.
I've seen this topic discussed before. There's no
clear cut answer. The best best is simply choose one
method, first bite or last, and be consistent.
For what it's worth, I saw a quote from an endo who
conducted research which said he tested his subjects 2
hour after the first bite.
But in real life too many factors come into play. How
fast do you eat? Some meals take longer than others.
And let's not forget that the fat or glycemic index of
the meal delays or hastens BG rises. If you eat a meal
with a lot of fat in it, then you may not peak until
much later than a low fat meal. So picking an
arbitrary amount of time at which to test is not going
to work for every situation.
Unfortunately, with the home test equipment we have,
and the standards the authorities have given us, it's
the best we have to work with. What will be helpful is
when a cheap and effective near-continuous testing
device becomes available. The Glucowatch may be the
first step toward that, but I don't think it's
practical yet.
E
> Annette I was told to test two hours after finishing the
> meal not after the first bite and I have been doing that
> since diagnosis. 'Where did you get your information and
> what do the majority here do, My a1c is 5 and I always test
> two hours after the meal.
I've seen this topic discussed before. There's no
clear cut answer. The best best is simply choose one
method, first bite or last, and be consistent.
For what it's worth, I saw a quote from an endo who
conducted research which said he tested his subjects 2
hour after the first bite.
But in real life too many factors come into play. How
fast do you eat? Some meals take longer than others.
And let's not forget that the fat or glycemic index of
the meal delays or hastens BG rises. If you eat a meal
with a lot of fat in it, then you may not peak until
much later than a low fat meal. So picking an
arbitrary amount of time at which to test is not going
to work for every situation.
Unfortunately, with the home test equipment we have,
and the standards the authorities have given us, it's
the best we have to work with. What will be helpful is
when a cheap and effective near-continuous testing
device becomes available. The Glucowatch may be the
first step toward that, but I don't think it's
practical yet.
E
Hunter Gre
Wed, Jan-29-03, 22:33
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:52:25 GMT, "RK" wrote:
> Loretta, my endo told me to test from the first bite as
> well, since the minute food hits our mouth, the salvia
> glands start to break dwn the enzimes..
Gretchen Becker agrees with this but she also says it doesn't
make that much of a difference as long as you're consistent.
It's only a problem if you test two hours after the start on
one meal, two hours after the end on another meal, then try to
compare the results.
--
"It is more uplifting to find the beauty, wonder,
spirituality, and reverence in what we can see, than to
imagine they only exist in what we can't see." -
hawthorn@starband.net http://hawthorn.mystarband.net/ [[ Type
2, diagnosed 2002-10-04, last A1c 7.2 on 2002-12-03 ]]
> Loretta, my endo told me to test from the first bite as
> well, since the minute food hits our mouth, the salvia
> glands start to break dwn the enzimes..
Gretchen Becker agrees with this but she also says it doesn't
make that much of a difference as long as you're consistent.
It's only a problem if you test two hours after the start on
one meal, two hours after the end on another meal, then try to
compare the results.
--
"It is more uplifting to find the beauty, wonder,
spirituality, and reverence in what we can see, than to
imagine they only exist in what we can't see." -
hawthorn@starband.net http://hawthorn.mystarband.net/ [[ Type
2, diagnosed 2002-10-04, last A1c 7.2 on 2002-12-03 ]]
Blkbear
Wed, Jan-29-03, 23:02
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:52:25 GMT, "RK" wrote:
>Loretta, my endo told me to test from the first bite as well,
>since the minute food hits our mouth, the salvia glands start
>to break dwn the enzimes..
>
>Think about it.. food doesn't start processing in your system
>when you are done.. hows it to know? it does know however
>when we start to eat.. only logical..
Howdy RK,
I think as long as you do one or the other and are consistent
(first bite, last bite), it'll pretty much come out in the
wash. But I have a feeling, that if I were to chew up an
entire meal and spit it out without swallowing, my BG would
not budge much after 1 or 2 hours.
But I think in all fairness, going to one of those long drawn
out dinners, lots of talking between courses, where you might
not get the last bite until an hour later, you'd test after
the last bite, mainly because testing two hours after the
first bite, would only be an hour after the last one.
But then again, I suppose it may depend on the diabetic,
being Type 1 or Type 2. Which then makes me ask, is testing
2 hours after the first/last bite, more important to a Type
1 or a Type 2? How about someone on meds or insulin vs diet
and exercise?
UhOh I feel a experiment coming on!
--
Terrell T2 DX'd 11/01
11/02 1 yr later, doing great!
>Loretta, my endo told me to test from the first bite as well,
>since the minute food hits our mouth, the salvia glands start
>to break dwn the enzimes..
>
>Think about it.. food doesn't start processing in your system
>when you are done.. hows it to know? it does know however
>when we start to eat.. only logical..
Howdy RK,
I think as long as you do one or the other and are consistent
(first bite, last bite), it'll pretty much come out in the
wash. But I have a feeling, that if I were to chew up an
entire meal and spit it out without swallowing, my BG would
not budge much after 1 or 2 hours.
But I think in all fairness, going to one of those long drawn
out dinners, lots of talking between courses, where you might
not get the last bite until an hour later, you'd test after
the last bite, mainly because testing two hours after the
first bite, would only be an hour after the last one.
But then again, I suppose it may depend on the diabetic,
being Type 1 or Type 2. Which then makes me ask, is testing
2 hours after the first/last bite, more important to a Type
1 or a Type 2? How about someone on meds or insulin vs diet
and exercise?
UhOh I feel a experiment coming on!
--
Terrell T2 DX'd 11/01
11/02 1 yr later, doing great!
Bj
Wed, Jan-29-03, 23:02
Of course, for some people (and some meals) the start and end
are only a few minutes apart, so it really wouldn't matter
anyway! bj
"Hunter Green" wrote in message
news:n86a3v0t86krmrmi48nhup30h4hu8msm4n@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:52:25 GMT, "RK" wrote:
>
> > Loretta, my endo told me to test from the first bite as
> > well, since the minute food hits our mouth, the salvia
> > glands start to break dwn the enzimes..
>
> Gretchen Becker agrees with this but she also says it
> doesn't make that much of a difference as long as you're
> consistent. It's only a problem if you test two hours after
> the start on one meal, two hours after the end on another
> meal, then try to compare the results.
are only a few minutes apart, so it really wouldn't matter
anyway! bj
"Hunter Green"
news:n86a3v0t86krmrmi48nhup30h4hu8msm4n@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:52:25 GMT, "RK"
>
> > Loretta, my endo told me to test from the first bite as
> > well, since the minute food hits our mouth, the salvia
> > glands start to break dwn the enzimes..
>
> Gretchen Becker agrees with this but she also says it
> doesn't make that much of a difference as long as you're
> consistent. It's only a problem if you test two hours after
> the start on one meal, two hours after the end on another
> meal, then try to compare the results.
Eric Bohlm
Wed, Jan-29-03, 23:02
Hunter Green wrote in
news:n86a3v0t86krmrmi48nhup30h4hu8msm4n@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:52:25 GMT, "RK" wrote:
>
>> Loretta, my endo told me to test from the first bite as
>> well, since the minute food hits our mouth, the salvia
>> glands start to break dwn the enzimes..
>
> Gretchen Becker agrees with this but she also says it
> doesn't make that much of a difference as long as you're
> consistent. It's only a problem if you test two hours after
> the start on one meal, two hours after the end on another
> meal, then try to compare the results.
I tend to agree with that. I think any variation in readings
due to timing from the start or end of a meal is going to be
swamped out by imprecision in meter readings and by individual
variations in the timing of peaks. If you were lucky enough to
get a couple three-day sessions on a CGMS, you could determine
when your peak was likely to occur and then test at that time,
but you probably wouldn't gain much.
news:n86a3v0t86krmrmi48nhup30h4hu8msm4n@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:52:25 GMT, "RK"
>
>> Loretta, my endo told me to test from the first bite as
>> well, since the minute food hits our mouth, the salvia
>> glands start to break dwn the enzimes..
>
> Gretchen Becker agrees with this but she also says it
> doesn't make that much of a difference as long as you're
> consistent. It's only a problem if you test two hours after
> the start on one meal, two hours after the end on another
> meal, then try to compare the results.
I tend to agree with that. I think any variation in readings
due to timing from the start or end of a meal is going to be
swamped out by imprecision in meter readings and by individual
variations in the timing of peaks. If you were lucky enough to
get a couple three-day sessions on a CGMS, you could determine
when your peak was likely to occur and then test at that time,
but you probably wouldn't gain much.
Mack
Sat, Feb-01-03, 10:04
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:30:28 -0800, BlkBear
cast the following madness into the
void:
>
>But then again, I suppose it may depend on the diabetic,
>being Type 1 or Type 2. Which then makes me ask, is testing 2
>hours after the first/last bite, more important to a Type 1
>or a Type 2? How about someone on meds or insulin vs diet and
>exercise?
>
>UhOh I feel a experiment coming on!
as a type 1 on a pump with gastroparesis(have to take
everything into account) I test before the meal, calculate the
carbs I will eat then figure my meal bolus of insulin, then
bolus and eat and then test 2 hours after I finish. For a
regular meal. If the meal is going to be a long one as you
described in your post or I go to a buffet style meal I make
the best guess as to the carbs I will eat and bolus 2/3 of
what I figure I will need. Then I test and make a correction
bolus if I need more insulin or I grab a snack at home or on
the way home if I actually had less carbs than I had figured
on eating. Sounds more complicated than it is. It just
requires me to stay aware of what I'm eating.
Mack Type 1 since 1975 Minimed 508 Insulin Pump
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.us.zerolimit.net
(irc server webpage for our chat room) #diabeticnet is the
name of our IRC chat on zerolimit.net
http://www.zerolimit.net/files/zl-mirc.exe
http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/misc/webtv.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ircle/ <--Ircle Mac IRC software
void:
>
>But then again, I suppose it may depend on the diabetic,
>being Type 1 or Type 2. Which then makes me ask, is testing 2
>hours after the first/last bite, more important to a Type 1
>or a Type 2? How about someone on meds or insulin vs diet and
>exercise?
>
>UhOh I feel a experiment coming on!
as a type 1 on a pump with gastroparesis(have to take
everything into account) I test before the meal, calculate the
carbs I will eat then figure my meal bolus of insulin, then
bolus and eat and then test 2 hours after I finish. For a
regular meal. If the meal is going to be a long one as you
described in your post or I go to a buffet style meal I make
the best guess as to the carbs I will eat and bolus 2/3 of
what I figure I will need. Then I test and make a correction
bolus if I need more insulin or I grab a snack at home or on
the way home if I actually had less carbs than I had figured
on eating. Sounds more complicated than it is. It just
requires me to stay aware of what I'm eating.
Mack Type 1 since 1975 Minimed 508 Insulin Pump
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.us.zerolimit.net
(irc server webpage for our chat room) #diabeticnet is the
name of our IRC chat on zerolimit.net
http://www.zerolimit.net/files/zl-mirc.exe
http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/misc/webtv.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ircle/ <--Ircle Mac IRC software
